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Equal Division Microtuning WITHOUT external tools/plugins
As you may know, there is a tool available to load scala files and retune an instrument to the scala file. This tool is great, however, it has limitations; as far as I know, there is no way for it to be compatible with soundfont type instruments that have different samples for different note ranges, and this technique works around that.
To do this, go to the pitch modulation of the instrument, add a key tracker, and then make its effect positive or negative depending on if you want a higher or lower amount of notes per octave (I think this could theoretically work with equal divisions of non-octave intervals as well, but I’m not mathematically savvy enough to intuitively know), and then adjust the pitch range to set the divisions. I just do it by ear until the octave interval sounds pure.
This technique is kind of janky but it works good enough for me. I was able to get 17EDO by having negative pitch key tracking with the pitch range set to 17.5. I compared it with the scala-tuned 17EDO and they were indistinguishable to my ear.
I’d attach a project file to demonstrate this, but I apparently am too new of a user to post files. Hopefully someone can get some use out of this.
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Non-mouse input devices
I forget everything I think of or read, so I write it down but then I have a habit of losing written notes, so I’m going to start keeping track of stuff in this forum in the hopes that I might remember and other people might find it useful. If I come across as authoritative, it’s because that’s how I write notes to myself, and it helps me to learn. The reality is I know nothing, and you’ll gather that from how simplistic some of the points are. Issues are in italics
Non-mouse input devices
- I’ve tried to learn Renoise’s keyboard workflow, which seems much quicker than using the mouse, but nearly all the shortcuts are just a bit annoying for me. Here is my slightly alternative approach, which might seem a bit backwards but is working well and I’m finally, gradually, getting quicker:
a) Delete all keybindings
b) Start working on a track
c) As soon as you need to do anything, try to find it in the keybindings list and assign to something convenient. Make a note of the keybinding, then never use the mouse to do that thing
d) If you can’t find it in the keybindings, see if there’s a tool that does it, download and assign to a convenient keybinding. Here is a thread detailing lots of related tips and tools
e) Just keep repeating and refining this until you’ve developed your own idiosyncratic system which fits your way of working. You’ll memorise things as you go and all the most common things will have the most basic shortcuts.
- Sometimes there’s something you do at the beginning which you only do once - it gets a high-ease shortcut which it doesn’t really deserve, so in that case you sub it out for a more common action.
- I guess learning to script so you can make your own keybinding functions would be the next step but I have literally no idea how to do this.
- MIDI controller input lets you make more expressive note entries in less time than the computer keyboard, due to both note and velocity being entered simultaneously. I like this little-known, cheap and cheerful ‘acorn masterkey 25’ - light-ish, decent-sized keys and very little wasted space, plus a few useful controllers:
I find these MIDI assignments useful:
Fader to gainer effect on master track, pre-limiter
Knob 4 to step length (a bit finnicky but better than nothing - sometimes it’s hard to get it to settle on exactly the right value, so the workflow improvement factor is lost)
Knob 3 to BPM - Renoise doesn’t write this to automation so if you want that, assign to a hydra routed to BPM. Though I find that it’s very easy to mess this up and end up making loads of accidental BPM modulations.
Knob 1 and 2 - whatever, assign freely for recording automations other than CC1 and PB
- The masterkey is a bit big to always carry around with you. Korg microkey is a smaller option which still features proper mod and pitch wheels, but no other knobs or faders.
- It would be useful if Renoise allowed transformation of incoming MIDI so that 0-127 could be mapped to a useful editstep range e.g.0-32, maybe xRules could facilitate this? The better solution would be to be able to reprogram the controller, but you can’t, and the controllers I’ve seen that do have this ability are all unacceptably large.
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Contour Multimedia Controller Pro / Contour Shuttle Pro.
This is a great product - moderately pricey but available at about 40-60% rrp on ebay. Mine was about £50. Jogwheel, shuttle and buttons all freely user-assignable. Solidly-built and way more flexible than a MIDI controller for functions other than note entry and recording automation.- Assign keypresses to the transitions between shuttle positions rather than the positions themselves to avoid weird behaviour repeating keypresses as you release the shuttle wheel. Jogwheel works as you’d expect. I’ve assigned jog to up/down and shuttle to right/left
- Shuttle only has 7 positions in each direction, so I’ve assigned next/previous track to right/left rather than next/previous column, which I’ve set to ctrl-right/left.
- I’ve assigned all the lower buttons to modifiers or modifier combinations to use in conjunction with the jog, shuttle and middle/upper buttons for a total of 5x13=65 possible functions. Optimum modifier/button combo would be 8 modifiers with 9 button for 9x9=81 possible functions.
- Value Stepper tool is a great use of the modifiers + jogwheel behaviour.
- It says it’s plug and play but it seems to actually need driver installation
- I’d rather the shuttle was just a concentric 2nd jogwheel but it isn’t, so there
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You can automate keypresses in Renoise using midi2qwerty16 from the pizmidi collection. Use cases include:
- making a video which features changes between views at particular moments
- some kind of generative application using row probabilities, phrases and note entry
- I don’t know what else, but there seems to be a lot of potential for some quite fun stuff
- midi2qwerty16 only works for me when the native plugin editor window both has focus AND I’ve clicked around in the manual value entry fields, which limits its potential somewhat.
- Unpinning the editor and moving it to a 2nd monitor, then keeping it focused, helps
- I don’t think this happens in every DAW so perhaps it’s something to do with Renoise’s bridging for 32bit VSTis or Renoise blocking the generated keypresses in some way. If you didn’t need the window open and weirdly ‘active’ there’d be a lot more potential here.
There, I hope that a) reminds me of some stuff, and b) is of use to someone else. Cheers!
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When you first started with renoise, how did you learn the keyboard shortcuts?
ive been trying to use the shortcuts as much as i can but there are so many. i’ve seen some people say delete them all and create your own. i did try to print out the xml for my current keybindings but the page comes up blank for some reason.
either way - i was curious if anyone had any tips on learning them to be more efficient!
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Can Disk Browser have a menu entry.+ shortcut for loading a wavefile in a specific way?
Let’s say I click on a wavefile to select it in Disk Browser
is it possible to press a shortcut to load the sample “in a specific way”. or click on menu_entry to load that selecte dsample “in a specific way”?
the objective is:
a channel has been selected, you special-load the wavefile and it is input as C-4 with 0G01 in effect column, with the selected sample. and if a instrumentbox is selected that already has an instrument, it creates a new instrument for it before printing it to the pattern.
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VSTs you REGRETTED buying?
Ill start.
Arturia Pigments, it seems like it should be so good but i find the filters really flat sounding and it feels like it takes a lot of work to find good sweetspots when designing a sound. The sweet spots also sound really “vanilla” in my humble opinion.
I would say that Surge XT, which is free, is noticably nicer sounding and more fun to work with.
How about anyone else?
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Bug / improvement request: if unable to remove script - tell the user what the issue is
here’s a cryptic error:
you know what it is? well, you don’t, because the error says nothing informative.
what causes this error? a .xrnx script that has .git/ + .github/ folder content in it.
please can we make the error more informative, instead of saying “(unknown error)” - say that there’s files in the folder that need to be removeded?
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Audio made with Renoise
Hi Guys
Here are some tracks i made with Renoise within the last couple of month. I have not mastered any of the tracks nor used any EQ’s and some of them might be loud, but whatever
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Cool Renoise Review On YT
Cool new review of Renoise, goes over the basics but it’s nice to see Renoise in the spotlight
The Most Underrated DAW For Music Production - Renoise Walkthrough and Review
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Creating Preferences for a Tool?
Hi. I wanna save the Preferences of a Tool. Namely, I now (finally, 13 years later…) have a GUI that lets me dynamically create shortcuts for the Native Devices.
But when I go to modify the script, or restart Renoise, they are, obviously, lost.
Now, if only there was some way of saving a preference with the enabled Shortcuts, and then recreating them at will.
Maybe this would mean that there’d be a way of initializing the LUA GUI from the Preferences, and showing which ones are already there in the preferences (= therefore already created as shortcuts).
but what I don’t know is what is the method for getting this action going.
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LUA Crash with GUI buttons
this seems to cause a crash:
local action_buttons = vb:horizontal_aligner { mode = "distribute", width = "100%", vb:button { text = "Load Device(s)", width = "40%", notifier = function() loadSelectedNativeDevices() end }, vb:button { text = "Load Device(s) & Close", width = "60%", notifier = function() loadSelectedNativeDevices() if custom_dialog and custom_dialog.visible then custom_dialog:close() end end }, vb:button { text = "Cancel", width = "100%", notifier = function() if custom_dialog and custom_dialog.visible then custom_dialog:close() end end } }am using macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 and Renoise 3.4.3 (?) on Apple Silicon.
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Flash Card Tips and Tricks
Thought maybe it was a good idea to start a thread on very simple tips and tricks that can be easily implemented, are quick and can be understood by anybody.Hopefully it works out…could be good…lets see.
Maybe put the tip in bold or something so anybody can quickly scan the thread.
I have a new rule i just started implementing and it seems to work really well.
Whenever i EQ something i will make a point to notch a frequency out as well,could be a large notch could be a tiny notch could be a lot of gain could be very little.The point is,
Whenever i EQ i will ALWAYS notch.
In the end, over multiple tracks and hundreds of samples,this rule makes a huge difference.
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Renoise Visuals
I think it would be very cool if Renoise had a naitive visualizer that could be coded in LUA or something else.
Without being too lengthy maybe utilizing the ability to use an openGL script, puredata GEM, winamp video plug-in, or something similar to the scripts used for touchdesigner or wallpaper engine.
Not a shameless self promo but i use the stock Renoise spectogram for creating visuals often. This can be seen on my instagram. @.vifyrv.
Does anybody else have any thoughts on this? I am curious if anybody would be interested or excited in seeing something like this become available in the future?
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Malware Trojan Virus in the license
Hi,
This morning while booting up Renoise my Internet Security detected and disinfected a virus or trojan in my Renoise license. Now I can’t use it!
Gen:Variant.Tedy.566147
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Morpheus Mother
I can highly recommend these two free modules:
VCV Library OrangeLine MorpheusMorphing of given or random sequences with turing machine functionality and 16 Internal Memory Slots.
VCV Library OrangeLine MotherMode aware probability driven quantizer
Have a great weekend fam!
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Sample editor waveforms
Hi guys can anyone tell me why despite the sample editor showing this professionally mastered house track as completely clipped and maxed out. Yet when I play it renoise doesn’t clip (with track volume set to 0db).
I’m getting in to mastering more seriously atm and this is really bugging me as renoise seems to pushing us towards an unrealistically quiet (by 2024 standards) volume for our tracks. Not looking for a loudness wars discussion but any insights are appreciated, is renoise even the right tool for analysing tracks like this?
Cheers
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Customize the names of notes in the pattern editor, and save them as presets (would be useful for microtonal music)
One basic feature that Renoise lacks that a lot of other trackers (e.g. FamiTracker and OpenMPT) have is the ability to toggle between sharps and flats.
I think an even better idea would be to have 3 modes: sharp, flat, and custom. The toggle to switch between them would be in the transport panel to the right of the octave selector. When you select custom, there will be a menu where you can select, create, edit, or load a preset.
Each preset would contain a 3-character string for the name of each note. Or, an alternative would be to specify how many notes per octave, and a 2-character string for each note in an octave. The preset would also be saved in the .xrns file.
The most useful use for this feature would be microtonal music. For example, for 31edo, you could rename the 17th note of the 5th octave to either ‘175’ or ‘H-5’, depending on what you think is easier to read.
Of course, Renoise would need the ability to load .scl files (another feature OpenMPT has) for this feature to be useful. Together, these 2 features would make Renoise the best DAW for composing microtonal music.
Another use case would be renaming the notes to use solfege (perhaps this could be included as a default option).
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Noise lfo recording?
hello,
is there any solution to record the noise of lfo noise like it the song behavior is always the same noise modulation cause i think as it’s random it don’t have the exact behaviour at each listen ,am i wrong?
thank’s
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SAve dialogue of a vst after renoise clese
I am a big fan of the wonderfull vst synth called tranzistow .
In the latest update there is a bug that is beyond the scope of the developer
WHenever a new patch is loaded a save dialogue pops up for confirmation , but when ignoring this dialogue and closing renoise ,the dialogue closes with renoise but is still active , and thus windows desktop becomes unresponsive …here’s a quote from the developer about the issue
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Yes, weird, I agree. I noticed this with Renoise only - “Save Yes/No” dialog was hanging after closing the DAW for the reasons which are out of my scope (because I cannot debug the DAW). I reworked them to use standard Windows MessageBox function in the latest version and now Renoise just closes/ignores them on exit. Still weird but at least they are not hanging anymore.
Are you saying that you have the same problem with the latest version (2024-04-03) too?
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How to get "warm sounding" saturation and reverb with the native effects?
I have my own ways of achieving this but it’s mostly by trial and error and doesn’t get the best results, so I was wondering what other people here do.
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How do I get a “warm” sounding saturation effect or tape saturation effect with the native effects? I try to use distortion for this (haven’t experimented with cabinet simulator that much) but for either of those two native effects which parameters should I avoid or use to get this effect? Or if there’s another way to do it easily in Renoise, let me know.
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Similarly, I find the native mpreverb is often too metallic, harsh, cold, or “ping”-y. How should I change the parameters to get a more warm reverb? I’m especially interested in the kind of warm, spacey, and long style of reverb that something like an Empress reverb pedal can produce.
Thanks in advance for any ideas!
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Crash report - Renoise 3.4.3, Linux Mint 21.3
Playing this module causes a crash about halfway through the second pattern.
Log:
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